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Recoding America: A Conversation with Jennifer Pahlka

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The Gap Between Our Expectations and What We Get

I think sometimes we think the system is designed to make it hard and that is obviously sometimes true, but very often it's simply not designed at all. And designing systems just is very rarely one of them. The city of San Francisco and Code for America got together several years ago and designed a process for automatic expungement which doesn't take that whole process for granted. It says, nope, these are just fields in a database. Really none of this is necessary. We have to stop asking the wrong questions, our leaders, our policy class, political class is always asking how much money do we need for a particular task? How do we build the kind of state capacity that we

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