Liz: I like both of those, especially on the research side. Michael from Listing the Air Story and Liz, you were younger. So maybe you've got that benefit of not having all of these biases and prejudice is already built in. But I love your third group. We actually did that in portfolios. And we would compare them not only to indices because the indices are human created. The S&P 500 is not a passive index. It's selected by a committee at Standard and Core. Same with the Dow Jones Industrial Average. They are likely to exhibit all the foibles of human beings and human nature.

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