why does anybody care like just transition or don't transition and I mean it might be interesting research to find out why someone is motivated but it doesn't really matter in the end right that's sort of

where all the other groups come in right because one of the other big groups that you know talk about orthogonophilia that's what's called a trans exclusion or radical feminists or gender critical feminists these gender critical roles they don't like trans women they are basically saying oh we need to take away trans women's children because they're gonna abuse them and stuff like

that so

now I'm making them seem entirely unreasonable and of course they are entirely unreasonable but at the same time the opposite side can also be entirely unreasonable and gender critical feminists they also you know have some entirely reasonable points such as maybe a subreddit for lesbian should not say that you are transphobic if you are undertracked or trans

women okay I guess the reason why it might matter if you are one type or the other is because if you're still attracted to women they would not want you in their bathrooms I guess but isn't that just I feel like it's just kind of standard homophobia if someone's got a full transition I mean

there's a lot of

complications right first of all a lot of gender critical feminists think if you are also going to feel it then that must mean that you are sexually attracted to being a woman so that must mean you really like your

penis I don't understand how that follows well I

don't think it follows

very well what tends to happen right is that the gender critical feminists will go and take the very most aggressive most problematic trans women and then they'll say you know look at how all trans women are like they're all you know evil right all the kind of acts like this right so yeah in online communities all the kind of media can sort of function as a boogie man right like it's you know it's it's those crazy people who want to come and rape you and you know stuff like that right

okay