*This episode originally aired in 2018, re-airing it today in honor of Lacy's new book. And look out for an updated conversation between us later this week.

In late 2017, a friend mentioned a workshop she’d attended in New York led by Lacy. After hearing about her experience, I was intrigued, yet slightly apprehensive because after years of obsession and addiction to all things personal-growth, spirituality, and manifestation I was at a point where I was exhausted by content even in the vicinity of self-help. Despite my trepidation, I checked out Lacy's work and several hours later, I was hooked. From her style and aesthetic to her framework and perspective, her work was incredibly intriguing. In the weeks leading up to this interview, I was a bit nervous to meet her in person. Fortunately, Lacy was warm and welcoming, putting me at ease the second I walked into the Brooklyn apartment where she was staying.

We sipped a tea infusion she made us (Lacy’s an herbalist) and chatted for hours about everything from bodies and food to design to relationships. We talked about her philosophy around authenticity, boundaries, and of course debunking myths about manifestation. She was kind, charming, articulate, and I loved recording this episode and listening back to it.

Show notes:

- Lacy on The Web | Podcast | Instagram | YouTube | Pinterest
>> Lacy's new book: How to Manifest

- Katie's Substack | IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Zine shop is here!

- My Creative Clinic.
>> book Let It Out: A Journey Through Journaling

All original music composed by Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs

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