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Heroku is a cloud computing company that was recently acquired by Google. In his first day at Heroku, Eric Schmidt told employees to "just ship something" He says the culture of non-shipping broke down and he's seen it in other organizations as well. His advice: Start shipping small things now instead of big projects later on.

Craig Kerstiens joins us for a chat on decalcifying engineering teams, why you need to get your teams to ship more, and finding A-Players. Craig runs product and engineering at Crunchy Data and has been incredibly influential in the Postgres community.

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