Speaker 2
We see this today sort of in the cancel culture dialogue that goes on
Speaker 1
about people. So we probably see it in various places. That would be one. You could talk about harassment on Twitter as another. Tocqueville, rightly or wrongly, Tocqueville thought that this was at least in part a result of the way that American society was so much more level than more aristocratic European society. And in a more aristocratic society, you've got aristocrats that are basically immune to this kind of pressure. And if they're eccentric, they're weird or they're very individual, that gives everybody also kind of cover in a way. It's hard for people to criticize you for doing something that the count of whatever it is doing also. Whereas in a society that is much more level, Tocqueville thinks it's actually much easier for society to exert this kind of pressure on people. And so this is something that's very much in Mill's mind too. And the way that Tocqueville had approached this, and what made him interested in studying in America, is that he thought this is the direction that Europe has headed. Europe is also becoming more democratic, not just in the voting sense, but in the sense of social equality. And so Europeans need to understand Americans in order to see what they're going to get. And so Mill is to some extent, I think writing on liberty as some kind of protection against what he sees as the negative side of something that on the whole he thinks is actually very beneficial.