When i think about my own career, i have been in both of these places. Have you found the same thing in your career as well? Absolutely absolutly. It's not black or white. And and, as you say, i think yor leaders are not born. They're made. And so we can slide. You can have the right motive when you start, and get used to people telling you what you want to hear and cunning get a little lazy. So yes. There can be people that grew up in a system that said, ein doing it for myself. And they can go, i don't want to do that any more. One of the signs

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