Sally Kohn: I want to bring it back to well, you've mentioned two things. One is this idea of making space, which often entails shielding ourselves from these potentially addictive devices and then the technologies that they enable. And then there's this aspect of self awareness through, you talked about map making and using the lens of design to think of ourselves as personas. It sounds like those two are essential to getting kind of a read. But there comes this moment where we have to do synthesis work in design. We have to figure out how we're going to move forward, what we'm going to do about it. Salkin: The next step is basically finding your most