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148. President accused me of being a spy...on LIVE TV

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Was It a Bit Funny? And I Don't Like What Spies Do

I just find it a really fascinating story. Obviously, it's quite scar because you have to leave country. But i don't like spies. It's absolutely the opposite of what we do as journalists. Spies uncover any truth. They they deceiv they deceive people for a particular government's interest. So in a way, we're complete. We are kind of like enemies of each other. I'm writing a book ot the moment about the nature, or the psychology of secrets and secrecy. And that actually is, you know, what is a secret? That might be opposites in one sense, because you see spyes, more deceitful.

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