I think there's two elements that one is just attitude towards risk and one is attitude towards failure. When you have nothing to lose like I did kind of growing up in Poland, you have an extreme risk taking mindset. If you are not scared, you will take all the risks because there's nothing to lose. And so that's what kind of the first step of my life just trying to make something happen. Once I got to Mersezburg, I actually developed this crazy risk aversion Because I was now part of the system that could push me up,. It's competitive and this and that.

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