UFPLS versus flexible drawdown: choosing tax timing

Welcome to the last Q&A session of 2025. In this show we cover selling properties to invest in pensions instead, starting to invest for the first time, UFPLS vs FAD and SO MUCH MORE!

Shownotes: https://meaningfulmoney.tv/QA36

02:05 Question 1

Big thanks to Pete and Roger for all the excellent advice. This question is for some of the 2.8 million UK landlords. Even those with just one property in their own name—not through a limited company—are increasingly affected by fiscal drag.

Looking ahead, I plan to sell down much of my property portfolio in later life (because who wants to be a landlord at 70?). Plus, mortgage finance becomes trickier in your 70s. That said, even if I retain one or two of the best properties, the rental income alone may push me into the higher-rate tax bracket.

I'm 49 and don't currently have a SIPP, but I can invest up to the £60k annual allowance via my limited company. Would it make sense to start building a modest pension over the next 10 years as a risk mitigation strategy?

If so, how should I think about the opportunity cost? I'd save 25% corporation tax going in, but pay higher-rate income tax on the way out (less the 25% tax-free lump sum)—so is the net tax cost around 5%? Or am I overlooking other factors, like the benefit of CGT and income tax exemptions on growth within the pension?

Appreciate your thoughts—and keep up the great work.

Regards, Cameron.

07:29 Question 2

Hi Pete, Roger and Nick,

I've recently discovered your YouTube channel and podcast, and it's been a real eye-opener - thanks so much for all the great content!

I'm 45 and currently have £74,000 in a Fidelity SIPP, but it's all sitting in cash. I know that's far from ideal, especially with 15–20 years until I plan to retire. I also realise it's a relatively modest pot for my age, and it's not earning anything while it just sits there.

How would you typically advise someone in my situation to begin investing some or all of that cash? I'm keen to make up for lost time but want to do so wisely.

Thanks again, and keep up the brilliant work! Joanne

15:15 Question 3

Hi Pete & Roger,

Firstly thanks so much for all your hard work - I devour your podcasts, videos & books - so much hard work on your behalf & I hope you realise how appreciated they are.

I am just at the stage of life where in the next few years I need to start thinking about drawing money out of mine & my husband's pensions and I am considering the most tax efficient way of doing this. I have been reading all about UFPLS and FAD. As background, it is unlikely that either my husband or I will ever have much Personal Allowance unused in the years up to receiving our State Pensions due to rental income we receive; it is also unlikely that either of us will ever become higher rate taxpayers. I also understand that to get the most out of ones PCLS it is best to only crystallise the funds actually needed from an uncrystallised pension so the rest of the pot can hopefully grow and therefore the 25% tax free sum also grows. So, my question is, what am I missing, in what situations would it be more beneficial to take an UFPLS payment v making a partial crystallisation into a FAD pot (I am with ii who offer this).

I feel like an UFPLS payment would give me 25% tax free and 75% taxed right away, whilst a FAD would give me the same 25% tax free and 75% could be taken straight away or drawn down over time as desired and could also be left invested to hopefully grow?

Thanks so much, Tracy

21:12 Question 4

Hi Pete and Roger, thanks for hosting such a great podcast!

I've recently been searching for a new job and was lucky enough to receive an offer with some interesting compensation features that I thought I would ask your opinions on. I actually turned down this role in favour of something else, but wanted to ask nonetheless as the offer came with an interesting feature that I have not come across before.

Firstly, and probably most straightforward to answer – The salary on offer was £50,500 per year, which seems a weird figure – suspiciously only slightly above the threshold to tip me into the higher tax bracket, which got me thinking – are there any benefits (to the employer or employee) of being only just into the next tax bracket up? Why not £50k, or £51k?

Secondly, in addition to a very generous DC pension scheme (they would pay in 12% if I pay in 5%) they offer a "Savings Scheme" whereby 5% of my salary would be deducted (and paid into this scheme) each month and at the end of 12 months the company would then top up these savings with another 5% of my annual salary – (actually 6% to "account for the extra tax"). My real question is this – what are these "savings schemes" in a nutshell, and are there any benefits of them over trying to negotiate for increased employer pension contributions instead?

Interested to hear your thoughts on these.

Thanks so much! Jamie

29:09 Question 5

Hello Pete and Roger

I've recently found your podcast and wanted to say thanks for all the insight you are providing. Not only do you make a fairly dull subject tolerable, you even manage to make it reasonably enjoyable 😉

My wife and I have a couple of rental properties which should be paid off along with the house in a year or so.

I'm 47 and on an average salary. I have a medical condition which means I'll probably be unable to carry on working till 67 (but life expectancy unaffected). The problem I have is I don't know when I'll need to access my personal pension so planning is a bit tricky.

My DC pension pot is just over £200k which ordinarily would be quite healthy but if I have to access it at 57 suddenly it isn't so great.

I'm currently invested 100% in shares and have been a bit braver than I'd normally be inclined, as I feel I need to make hay while the sun shines, but now getting to the stage where I might want to reduce the risk on the money I've worked hard to save.

The problem I have is knowing how to go about planning for an uncertain future.

I'm also aware I have a blind spot when it comes to bonds. I know they are meant to fare better than shares in falling markets but not sure if the reality matches the reputation. Fundamentally I just don't understand the mechanics of how they work and what factors affect how they move.

Would be very grateful to hear your thoughts!

Thank You and keep up the good work. Danny

37:08 Question 6

Hi Pete and Roger,

I'm 31 and have been listening to this podcast for at least 10 years so have been very lucky to have baked all of your wisdom and advice into my own financial habits over the formative years of attending university and entering the world of work, which has undoubtedly set me on the right path for the rest of my life - I hope! I can't thank you enough for your generosity and dedication to this mission.

My question is maybe an unusual one...

I am fortunate to be in a well-paid job in what I think is a relatively secure career and have all of the basics covered - from a good EM fund, no debt and money put into wealth-building mechanisms (pension and Stocks and Shares ISA). I have more than enough to be comfortable.

Unfortunately, a couple of years ago my brother got diagnosed with a rare cancer at the age of 26 and has been battling the condition ever since. He's spent a lot of time in the care of the national treasure that is The Christie in Manchester, and I'm so grateful for the work they have done to support him and would like to financially donate to them so that I can do what I can to help them and others in return.

I get (what I consider to be) a significant pre-tax annual bonus to the tune of £10-15k and am considering donating this in one-off charity contributions through my employer's benefit scheme each year when I receive it. Alternatively, I could pension-dump these bonuses and build a strong compounding engine for retirement one day and at that point could then donate a substantially higher figure (potentially even just from interest on the core portfolio alone..?).

Whilst I won't ask you to answer what is probably an impossible question on behalf of The Christie in terms of which is more important - money now or money later - do you have any thoughts on the pros and cons of either approach? Is there a right answer here in your opinion?

Thanks again for all you do Tom