Wrestling is an athletic soap opera right so that's not i mean that's not and i would like chicago rick yeah. a bit there's a bit more nuance there but  there are many times where the company or the bookers want to push someone or hold someone back because they don't think somebody will be a star. "I'm fascinated by the idea that having some tinge of legitimate populist politics and then the rhetoric kind of remaining being stripped out into this sort of um again it's it is not to over overthink this"