Are You Finding a Poor Substitute for the Phoenix?

I think it's one reason the Phoenix has been able to scale across the country is that there's other people out there with this desire to help people who are experiencing addiction and struggling with substance use. So we get all these inbounds from communities across the country, people wanting to volunteer to start Phoenix. When you were at your low point, were you looking around for the Phoenix and not finding it or were you finding a poor substitute for it? It's difficult to know because so many people, Scott, get to a low point and they stay there. They'll punch their own ticket, right? Or they look for help that they can't find. I just wonder why you?