Jay Parini: We take this impulse that we have this creative impulse that's intrinsically valuable for us, but we say, you know what, that's not enough. And then we corrupt the very thing that we wanted to do. He started his own quote side hustle by leading people on day long expeditions or adventures. Parini: But doing that as an opening move, it did exactly what you said. It made me want to run away from it. I think it's such a good idea to first just play play with doing things that let you express that maker impulse.

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