What Are They Getting Out of This?

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i can't imagine it helping people in some demonstrable way with a repeat like meditation works or it doezn't, something like that. It's just so nebulous. I know depock pretty well. He edefinitely believes what he says. He's not and he's got plenty of money. Te gnocon people for money, or anything like that. You knowad, i remember us thinking, what are they getting out of this? Nothing like tony robins not promising if you do these 12 spashs yore going to be rich, or nothing like that. Just cond of you be yourself and live in the now and this kind of stuff.

The most fundamental lesson that all magicians learn is that seeing is not believing. In episode 195, Michael speaks with internationally acclaimed sleight-of-hand artist and 35-year activist for scientific skepticism, Jamy Ian Swiss, about his lively, personal book, The Conjuror’s Conundrum, that takes readers on a magical mystery tour of the longstanding connection between magic and skepticism. Shermer and Swiss discuss: Swiss’s first encounter with fraud, the paranormal and supernatural, magic and mentalism, hot/cold/universal readings, pychics, talking to the dead, James van Praagh, belief, the afterlife, “the amazing” Kreskin, the Alpha Project, and more…