195. Jamy Ian Swiss — The Conjuror’s Conundrum
The Michael Shermer Show
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What Are They Getting Out of This?
i can't imagine it helping people in some demonstrable way with a repeat like meditation works or it doezn't, something like that. It's just so nebulous. I know depock pretty well. He edefinitely believes what he says. He's not and he's got plenty of money. Te gnocon people for money, or anything like that. You knowad, i remember us thinking, what are they getting out of this? Nothing like tony robins not promising if you do these 12 spashs yore going to be rich, or nothing like that. Just cond of you be yourself and live in the now and this kind of stuff.
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