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Are You a Tory or a Conservative?
Pete Sutcliffe was one of the co-authors of a very famous book now Britannia Unchained with Liz Trusque, Quasie Quarting and so on. Reading back at some of that I'm struck you still seem to have that absolutely front and central as a sort of defining challenge. Do you think it's that diagnosis about the active role of government that makes it so controversial within within conservative politics? And do you think your your view will prevail in the debates running up to the next election?