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Episode 8: MacArthur and His Successor

The MacArthur Center Podcast

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Is This Going Down?

Pastor John Piper: We old people need to get out of our heads. He says heaven starts at death and retirement is not the way to end life. You don't retire from a calling, he says. "You're going to look like a fool at 75 and 85"

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