In 2013, when I had this idea, it was hard to raise $4 million with just an idea without customers. But obviously by 2017, when we did raise it, like there was, you know, the seed ecosystem or funding, it was like mature enough that you could raise $5 million. And then we raised $6 million initially. To do a fintech company, well, it's it is a lot more complicated than a software company,. You can like mostly go lean startup MVP, raise a million, or you don't even need to raise anything. It's funny how up and down the stack.

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