The Push and Pull of Head Over Hills

I wondered about that push and pull of being a band that really came from an Evant God space on your debut album. All of a sudden had an audience and this instinct to make big pop songs. And where the push and the pull internally is there? Well, I mean, I think with, especially with Head Over Hills strangely, and we didn't, we weren't big fans of the song to start with because it seemed too simplistic to us. But again, when you get into a studio, here's the joy of making albums instead of just trying to write tracks or singles. It's that time of just openness because there's not a ton.