complexity in just practical terms goes, let's say, in two different ways. Like the guy who's really good on Wall Street, he's looking at one thing: I want to maximize profits. And so it seems like infinite complexity, but once you step back and ask why am I even doing this? Then there's this kind of larger and larger embrace kind of complexity. We can acknowledge that you can be studying one tiny little point of the universe and find infinite complexity in it.

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