Summary
In this episode Weimo Liu, co‑founder of PuppyGraph, talks about the engineering behind their “zero-copy” graph querying engine for lakehouse and database sources. He explores how PuppyGraph lets you run Cypher and Gremlin traversals and graph algorithms directly on data in Iceberg, Delta, Hudi, Hive, and even MongoDB—without loading into a separate graph store. Weimo explains their edge-sharded, vectorized, MPP architecture that tackles hub nodes, multi-hop traversals, and shuffle at scale, targeting sub-second to single-digit-second workloads. He digs into practical graph data modeling on top of normalized and denormalized tables, logical views, and flexible mappings; strategies for caching, adaptive reads, and leveraging Iceberg metadata; and how PuppyGraph’s operator-based engine unifies query and algorithms. He also covers real-world applications—from cybersecurity log analysis to entity resolution and agentic workflows—when to choose embedded or transactional graph databases instead, and what’s next for enterprise features and broader warehouse integrations.

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Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Weimo Liu about the engineering behind PuppyGraph's zero-copy ETL for querying your lakehouse as a graph

Interview

Introduction
How did you get involved in the area of data management?
Can you start by describing what PuppyGraph is and the story behind it?
What are some of the key use cases that people are turning to PuppyGraph and graph data models for?
Graph engines have struggled to take off for several years, not least of which is due to the difficulty of scaling them to large data volumes as a result of the topological nature of the data. Can you describe the architecture of PuppyGraph and some of the ways that you are addressing that challenge of data volume for graphs?
latency/data exploration
types of traversals and limitations
lakehouse architecture pros/cons for graphs
data modeling/translation
shortcomings of zero-ETL and how transforming the underlying representation could provide benefits
For someone who is looking for a graph engine to support a connected data use case, what are the guiding questions that you would ask to lead them toward PuppyGraph vs. a dedicated graph database like Memgraph/Neo4J/etc.?
What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen PuppyGraph used?
What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on PuppyGraph?
When is PuppyGraph the wrong choice?
What do you have planned for the future of PuppyGraph and graph data exploration on large data volumes?

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Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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