Jack Bogel has started Vanguard in 74, by the way. The first index fund they launched was at like 46 basis points. But it's come down slowly over the years as they got more assets and they pass on those economies of scale. A move from the broker suitability world to the advisor fiduciary model was huge. And I think all those forces got us to this where Vanguard is just so on top of their game.

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