I think governance is one of the sectors in crypto that I don't think anyone has this over bullet for yet. So in my own means, try whatever you can. But I did want to stay the conversation a little bit towards S Bitcoin just because a lot of projects have attempted to make trustless Bitcoin bridges. It hasn't really been done super well today, I would argue. And then I also wonder,  is there actually demand to use Bitcoin and DeFi? A lot of people believe that if there is in half our use case that's successful on these smaller chains.

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