I hear a lot, especially in our networks, that organic agriculture can outproduce conventional industrial agriculture. What are the caveats and the truth to that? That's a good question. The problem is not, can it be done theoretically? The problem is, how do you go from a situation where that's a small part of the egg system to then a dominant part?" "We could get more yield per area and have higher food security, many respects"

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