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Ruth Ben-Ghiat

The Back Room with Andy Ostroy

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The Rise of McCarthyism in America

I am always trying to reconcile America's growing fascination with fascism. It's not irreversible, but it's no, it's a breakdown of all the institutions and norms and boundaries. I just can't understand unless it unless you just simplify it and you get back to what's it called their brainwashed. That's one part that that even patriotism that having somebody like Trump who is out to destroy America and is aligned with all foreign autocrats, that's okay.

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