Speaker 2
So I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now. I've seen a lot of talk of that online. And I don't, you know, although this is a, you know, I think a dangerous and scary situation that's going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that's not the indications I'm receiving. So
Speaker 1
how would they persuade you just by saying that's not the case? Or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion? Like they
Speaker 2
would be the people actively working it essentially. Right. So and
Speaker 1
they're not they're
Speaker 2
not working it. Right. So the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems. Or they're not working the issue because there isn't an issue there to work. So the thing that I had heard
Speaker 1
was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine. And if that was the case, so what could they do? Is there any truth to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out and they would search for gamma radiation
Speaker 2
and they'd be able to find a nuke? Is that? So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy. Having, you know, potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way. Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons. And at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes, like we're seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them. And the way that NIST, DOE, typically operates in this environment is ground-based teams searching for radiation itself. So it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with. And then based off of that other information, that's what leads me to believe that's not the case.
Speaker 1
Well, that makes me feel better because I was freaking out this weekend.
Speaker 2
I think a lot of people were.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I got a couple. It's one of those things, especially in this day and age with social media. There's so many narratives that get spread and retweeted. And, you know, I know a guy who's an insider and he says to get out of the East Coast and, you know, head for Nevada. You know, there's a lot of that shit going on. There's a lot of different versions of these drones. And this is what's weird. If they weren't ours, if they're not ours, you would think that they could just track them and find out, well, where are they landing? Who's got them? How are they being used? Is it RFI, like radio frequency? Is it some sort of a different technology that's allowing them to pilot these things? Like, what is it? They'd be able to tune into that and figure it out, right? So how come no one's been arrested? How come no one's been caught? How come they haven't, you know, tracked these things down to the source?
Speaker 2
Yeah, so there's a lot of good questions there. Let me back up by starting with the fact that this started about two years ago, at least. But not like
Speaker 2
little bit like this. Really? In
Speaker 2
Not in this volume. That's the differentiator right there. So Langley Air Force Base, you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type, unknown origin last year. Right. That happened during about a two and a half, three week period right before Christmas. Right where we are now. That also happened the year before over Langley. Unknown objects operating over the base. They couldn't tell where they're going. They're unprepared for them. Same period of time, two, three weeks before Christmas. This is year three. Right. them to come again for the third year in a row over Langley. And there was, you know, some effort put forward to be able to better understand these when they came back. And they did come back, but they came back in a much wider swath, right? Now we have them all over New Jersey, all the way up to Massachusetts. And it's hard to tell exactly what the quality of the reporting right now, because it seems to be, you know, the bigger this story gets, the more people are just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out. But, you know, there are reports from Texas to Florida to California, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania. I mean, it's not just New Jersey itself, it seems. And even the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for a drone incursion just this last Friday, a couple of days ago. So this isn't just a one-off event. It is in the sense that it's so large and so many people are paying attention to it. But this has been occurring for at least three years around military bases. And that's nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the Eastern Seaboard and other training ranges that fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations. So I'm a little hesitant to link it to that, the full story that we've been having here, this full conversation. But at least for three years, this has been occurring. So, you know, kind of getting back to your question, you know, why can't we do more about it? It's a hard problem, I think, for a number of reasons. It's hard, but it's very solvable, right? I think this can be solved. We can solve it. But right now, kind of the word on the street is that these objects appear to be coming from over the ocean. law enforcement that are seeing a large number of these come from somewhere over the ocean. I don't know if that means necessarily they're popping out of the water physically or if they're coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast. I don't know how that relates to Ohio. That's a pretty long trip if they are coming over the ocean. And from the videos I've seen and the conversation I've had, they are detecting these objects through kind of normal mechanisms like radar systems, optical camera systems. They are flying very low. In some cases, they seem to be operating as a group in the vicinity of each other, flying past each other, flying very up close to each other, and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they're doing. It's an unknown right now if they are emitting energy or not. So, you know, like radio communications or their own maybe active sensor systems. It's unknown. I've poked on that front, and the best I can tell, the government doesn't know either.