Jeff Durbin is the pastor of a church called Apologia Church in Phoenix, Arizona. He also runs a production studio with a lot of online abolitionist programming. Jeff was actually a national karate champion in his teenage years before he got into drug addiction and nearly overdosed on ecstasy. The 44-year-old now has five children and three grandchildren. "I wasn't raising a Christian home"
Even as the anti-abortion movement celebrates victories at the Supreme Court and in many states across the country, there is debate about where to go next.
A hard-edge faction is pursuing “abortion abolition,” a move to criminalize abortion from conception, targeting not only the providers but also the women who have the procedure.
Guest: Elizabeth Dias, a correspondent covering faith and politics for The New York Times.
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