A lot of us went into teams out of the ego thing. Those cats, there were the swimmers and all that kind of stuff. They were successful because they beat guys. Do you know what I mean? Got it. There are kids that are happy. They love the sport. Now that was a two-time state champion. I took fourth one as a sophomore. But I wasn't happy doing it. And so that's the two things, right? Ego and heart. And you're what you want, right? Where do I do them out of?

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