The Church Shoots Itselfs in the Foot

"The church shoots themselfs in the foot a little bit," she says. "If you're going to church, going through the motions, not liking what you're hearing, but not being able to be engaged in like, a real, active, lively dialogue ... that would be the same as worshipping dead things" She adds: "I'm not doubled down on the rigidity. I and and i think what we invite people to stay is to invite that complexitys."