Drew: I think design is a lot about just figuring out problems and then learning how to communicate those problems to others. At the end of the day really all we need is a pen and a paper something that you can draw on, he says. "I highly encourage defenders to just do things think it yeah do it you can do it," Drew adds."There's just so many tools that essentially do the same thing", Darrin continues. 'It's just about finding what works in your case'