So there is this tension where is the Western Roman emperor, and

the other kingdoms are, they're also taking some of their pagan past of their monarchy, but they're also very much modeling this after Old Testament monarchy, whereas the the Prophet Samuel anoints the king. The emperor's church anoints the king or the emperor and sanctions his rule. So the, the, the pope or the Bishop is is ultimately higher than the king. Whereas in Constantinople, Justinian's bishops were very much his own bureaucrats the the Bishop of Constantinople was, you know, taken out and put back in and moved around at will, as this government bureaucrat. There is also there needs to be a tension between the temporal power temporal power does have some say in bishops and that sort of thing

as well. But it is this more mutual,

mutual submission if you will, if we go back to the mission as a mutual submission there so, but it was when I was started to look at some of these cultural aspects about the East West schism I was really blown away looking at some of these things and how much it really. Seemed to illuminate really what was going on, and I never even realized this until I started to look at it from taking like a pagan Roman Greco Roman civilization view of these different things looking at the, the pre, you know, Constantine, Emperor Constantine, right, he creates a triumph arch, like many of his predecessors did. Just Emperor Justinian his church Hagea Sophia becomes his own triumph arch, its architectural thing, which was actually also a reaction to it was a political event as well for him, because he was reacting to the Nikka riots and his massacring of the civilians and whatnot. So it's this really interesting interplay, which helps to inform this East West tension which continues to

boil.