Is There an Optimism Not Naive?

"We're pessimistic about humanity, that's for sure," he says. "And god only knows what the limit is of you, and you find out by pushing yourself against the world." He adds: 'The optimism that's not naive isn't just a visualization of how strong people can be' It would be nice if we could be optimistic, but i think began, the problem with being optimistic is that it's naive....