Why Pardons Aren't Sparking Outrage

On this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck breaks down Donald Trump’s increasingly brazen behavior — from his overtly racist comments about Somalis to his dehumanizing rhetoric that can incite real-world violence — and examines why so many Americans have become numb to it. He explores how the erosion of shame has stripped the public of a key accountability tool, how Trump has mainstreamed kleptocracy and mob-style politics, and why even many Republicans are uneasy with his drug trafficker pardon and his abuse of the presidential pardon power more broadly. Chuck also details the administration’s reported strong arming of corporate mergers, the normalization of corruption, and the role of media fragmentation — amplified by Trump and Fox News — in enabling behavior that would spark impeachment calls if committed by any Democrat. From national security risks to America’s deteriorating reputation as a rule-of-law nation, Chuck traces how Trump’s conduct has reached unprecedented levels while the country struggles with “Trump fatigue” heading into the next election.

Then, former U.S. Senator Jack Danforth joins the Chuck ToddCast for a candid and sweeping conversation about the crisis inside the Republican Party and the decay of American politics. Danforth explains why he’s devoted his later years to trying to rehabilitate the GOP—even as he admits the effort may be futile—and argues that Congress has devolved into a stage for self-promotion rather than a forum for legislating. He and Chuck explore how weak parties coexist with fierce partisan loyalty, how smartphones and grievance politics have poisoned public discourse, and why the joy has drained from public service. Danforth reflects on the GOP’s transformation from the “family party” into one defined by division, how Christians have been pushed into a persecution mindset, and why Trump has inflicted deeper damage on the country than any single figure in U.S. history.

The conversation turns to the future: whether leaders like James Lankford can spark a moral revival within the GOP, what true conservatism should stand for after being hollowed out by MAGA, and why Republican voters deserve a candidate who actually reflects traditional conservative principles. Danforth and Chuck also dig into constitutional reform, the filibuster, the politicization of the judiciary, and Congress’s abdication on major issues like Social Security and Medicare. Ultimately, Danforth makes the case that America must rediscover kindness, character, and a sense of shared identity if it hopes to govern itself the way the founders intended.

Finally, he answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment and gives his college football preview/rant.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

02:30 Trump made heinous and overtly racist comments about Somalis

03:15 The inability to shame has taken away public’s tool for accountability

04:15 Trump’s dehumanizing language can lead to physical violence

05:45 Trump fatigue will make upcoming elections tough for GOP

07:00 Too many high character people shrug their shoulders at Trump

07:45 Trump has mainstreamed kleptocracy

09:00 Republicans are expressing discomfort over drug trafficker pardon

11:30 Even Trump supporters say they don’t like some of Trump’s behavior

12:15 Trump doesn’t think white collar crimes are crimes

13:30 Merger approval relies on currying favor with Trump

14:45 Administration is strongarming the Warner Bros acquisition 

16:00 What was the price for Henry Cuellar’s pardon?

16:30 Trump is basically running a mob-style protection racket

18:00 Why are we so numb to Trump’s abhorrent behavior?

19:30 If any Democrat behaved this way, Republicans would impeach

21:45 Fragmentation of media allows Trump to get away with more

23:00 Hegseth risked lives of military members by using signal chat

24:30 Trump + Fox News have character assassinated legacy media

25:15 Trump’s pardons are among the most criminal acts ever by a president

27:30 Biden’s family pardons gave a permission slip for Trump to do far worse

28:30 Trump has damaged America’s reputation as a country with rule of law

29:30 Trump’s corruption has become normalized when there should be outrage

31:00 Pardons are the one dictatorial power Trump has, and he’s abusing it

37:00 Senator Jack Danforth joins the Chuck ToddCast

38:30 Why he’s focused on rehabilitating the Republican party

39:15 We need to restore the role of congress

40:15 Congress has become about self-promotion over legislating

41:30 The parties are weak, but partisan loyalty is strong

42:45 What could moderate both parties?

44:45 Rehabilitating the Republican party might be futile

47:00 Politics has become incredibly ugly, aggrieved and bitter

48:00 The joy has left politics

48:30 Republicans were the “family party”, now has ICE breaking them up

49:45 Christians have been whipped up into a persecution complex

51:15 The country hoped Joe Biden would serve as a healer

52:45 Smartphones have warped political discourse (AUDIO ISSUE)

53:30 There has to be a focus on “who we are as a people”

54:00 Trump has caused more damage to U.S. than any other person

55:15 James Lankford could be a leader in moral revival of GOP

57:30 We need to show kindness to people on the other side of the aisle

58:15 We as a people, are not like Donald Trump

59:45 Trump’s governance and style are not conservative

1:00:15 Conservatism has lost all meaning in the era of MAGA

1:02:30 Republican voters need to be offered a truly conservative candidate

1:03:45 The GOP is now a “strong government” party, not “small government”

1:04:30 “Our Republican Legacy” is trying to restore traditional GOP

1:06:00 Does the Republican party stand for anything anymore?

1:07:30 There are enough shellshocked Americans to get constitutional changes

1:08:30 Why a constitutional convention would be a bad idea

1:10:00 The founders trusted us to govern ourselves

1:11:15 The founders did fear the voter, and added checks to their power

1:12:45 Money isn’t the same as speech, and it’s corrupted our politics

1:14:30 Congress must retain the power to tax

1:16:30 GOP congress has mostly been on vacation and doing TV hits

1:18:15 Congress is doing nothing to solve the insolvency of social security

1:19:30 Medicare cuts are coming if congress doesn’t act

1:21:30 The public learned things during the deliberations over Obamacare

1:22:30 There is no “perfect bill”, it’s supposed to be a compromise

1:24:00 Judicial confirmation and judiciary have become politicized

1:25:30 We have collectively starting thinking of the judiciary as policy making

1:28:45 If we restored the filibuster for justices, we may never be able to confirm

1:30:00 Many senators are just automatic no votes against other parties nominees

1:31:45 What should the filibuster rule be in a perfect world?

1:33:30 Hope for restoring more traditional conservatives to congress

1:34:45 What conservative values would you like to see restored?

1:36:15 High character used to be an asset in politics

1:38:30 Chuck’s thoughts on the interview with Sen. Jack Danforth

1:39:45 Ask Chuck

1:40:00 Has shifting resources to immigration made FBI miss attacks?

1:44:45 Why does college football feel so broken?

1:51:30 Will we see Supreme Court justices retire before midterms?

1:54:30 How do weaker parties lead to stronger partisans?

2:00:00 College football rant

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