Explaining 'Pay for Slay' and Its Incentives

In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sat down with journalist, author, and host of The Brink, Jake Wallis Simons, to unpack the latest in the Israel–Hamas war, the UN’s controversial genocide report, and Britain’s recognition of a Palestinian state.

We examine what Keir Starmer’s decision really means — and why Hamas itself has called it the “fruits of October 7.” Jake explains how the propaganda war has been waged from 1947 to today, why the UN has long been biased against Israel, and how famine and aid are manipulated as weapons in the conflict.

We also discuss Jake’s new book Never Again: How the West Betrayed the Jews and Itself, where he argues that anti-Semitism is a symptom of the West’s civilizational decline, from centrist fundamentalism to the rise of radical ideologies.

A wide-ranging conversation on Israel, Gaza, the UN, Western weakness, and whether we can restore our lost values.

Check out Jake’s new podcast The Brink: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBrink_Podcast

Pre-order Jake’s new book here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Again-West-Betrayed-Itself/dp/0349000433

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Watch the extended conversation here: https://open.substack.com/pub/winstonmarshall/p/the-hamas-hoax-that-fooled-the-west?r=18lfab&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

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Chapters

0:00 Recognition of Palestinian State and UN Report on Genocide

3:28 Discussion on the Israel-Hamas Conflict and Keir Starmer's Recognition of Palestine

7:05 Starmer's Condemnation of Hamas and the Pay-for-Slay Fund

9:09 Clarification on Starmer's Recognition and the Pay-for-Slay Fund

16:53 The UN Genocide Report and Its Credibility

38:52The Propaganda War and Hamas's Strategy

42:20 The Muslim Brotherhood and Its Influence in Gaza

48:57 The Aid Situation in Gaza and the Role of the UN and Israel

1:06:01 The Ceasefire and the Hostages

1:11:24 Britain's Recognition of Palestine and Its Implications

1:14:04 Starmer's Moral Clarity and Family Ties

1:15:22 The Moral Complexities of War

1:17:32 Final Thoughts

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