Why James Li and Jillian Talked Despite Backlash

Jillian Michaels and investigative journalist James Li engage in a good-faith dialogue on Gaza: the homan toll, the information war, and how to disagree without dehumanizing. Then, they go deep on California policy scandals—from waste and fraud to the perverse incentives behind them. Plus, they address the most dangerous health cover-ups that shape what information the public is and isn’t told. 

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