A few years ago, I'd wake up every morning, check the headlines on my phone and feel as if the world had gotten dumber and meaner overnight. Meanwhile, I'd been writing and making art for more than a decade and it didn't seem to be getting any easier. Everything got better for me when I made peace with the fact that it might not ever get easier. Creative work is hard. Life is short. And art is long.
Debbie talks with Austin Kleon, who describes himself as ‘a writer who draws’.