i was not yet a budgeter. But as soon as we started to look at the expenses more granularly, to start to refine our fine number, we realized there were things in there that had just kind of been ballooned over time and they were easy to cut back on. And so, like, you travel is a priority for us, and yes, we haven't been able to do it, you know, as muchas wanted the last two years,. but we planned to do i long term. It felt good to be really deliberate about spending...it doesn't feel like ... cutting costs in a way that doesn't kind of fit our world view. We eat loaves

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