This is also when like cities are hiring actual city planners as a profession. And so it's saying like cities have to be planned if they're not planned, there will be chaos. I think we also see more of kind of like the city becomes more bland or whatnot because of the way that things are built. We have these kind of cookie cutter big box stores and all this kind of stuff that's being built. And this is kind of what this period looks like. It's fascinating to hear you kind of periodize it in that way, but also to think about kind of the technologies that were involved in those periods,.

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