Meredith Kline, the two realms, and why we're back
Two-age Sojourner
An ethic of honest conversation
Michael and André commit to candid, non‑gotcha dialogue that concedes valid points across traditions.
Awesome music by Jeremy Casella.
Two Age Sojourner is back. After a long break, Mike, André and Nick pull three chairs back up to the kitchen table for an unhurried, unpolished conversation about theology, the kind you would overhear in a big dining hall. This relaunch episode is partly a "why are we doing this" reset and partly a map of where the show is going: a Reformed Baptist, Klinean conversation that does not pretend to have it all worked out.
Along the way they talk about why Meredith Kline's reading of Scripture still matters (church and state, how to read the Bible, and how Kline unexpectedly prepared them to read the church fathers), the two-register cosmology of the visible and invisible realms, and why spirituality is booming on every side at once, from a revival of conservative Christianity to the rise of paganism, shamanism and DMT "other realm" experiences. They lay out the "study hall" idea, an in-person and online alternative to the conference and the struggling seminary pipeline, and make the case for honest conversation that concedes points to the other side instead of chasing the gotcha moment.
It closes with Nick's upcoming Kennedy Creed conference, a look at the Christian nationalism debate, and a teaser for a future conversation on paganism as pre-Christian preparation, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien, and the retrieval questions around Islam and nationalism.
HOSTS
Michael Beck, Gracenet Community Church, Wellington, New Zealand - https://www.gracenet.co.nz
André Beck, Bethesda Baptist Church, Felixstowe, UK - https://www.bethesdafelixstowe.com
Nick Clevely, Covenant Grace Baptist Church, Timaru, New Zealand - https://www.covenantgracebaptist.church
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:25 We're back
02:33 How podcasting changed
07:59 Why Kline still matters
10:32 Kline brings everyone to the table
14:12 Andre's PhD and the invisible realms
15:23 Spirituality is booming
17:51 The name: Two Age Sojourner
19:59 Upping the game (and YouTube)
23:40 The study hall idea
30:17 Greystone (and a He-Man detour)
32:29 The seminary pipeline problem
39:11 After truth, not winning
42:50 Nick's conference and Christian nationalism
48:02 Paganism, C.S. Lewis, and Islam (next time)
Website: https://www.gracenet.co.nz
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