I think it's like the stakes are higher than we realize. It seems really unlikely to me that Adam bombs will never again be used on civilians in the course of or anyone in the next century. The fact that that hasn't happened yet is a pretty good sign and there are lots of good reasons to think that we can avoid those worst possible outcomes going forward. I don't imagine that the best outcome is always going to happen, but I do think it's always a possibility"

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