When a book eventually appeared the dorsan perception, in which he described this experience, it was kind of criticised from two directions. Some felt that to attain to these kind of mystical insights, you had to follow a path of spiritual discipline. That was one criticism. The other criticism was of people like an, as i say, thomas mann who felt tat this was aa betrayal of the rationalist ethos. He adoted that tha he felt modern mind shoulde express. Very much the rational man reacting against an idea that therei, there is a reality that can be excessed by psychodelic drugs.