Getting Your Money Back Is Fun, but You're Striking Back in a Way to Make Them Quit

"The only way to get your money back, gits, your debt repaid, is to have the pleasure of hurting the person," he says. "If you take it personally and you internalize it, and it becomes this thing that eats away at you, that is, ye, it's part parcel of all this bad stuff he's talking about here." He adds: 'He rails against the idea of utility though, people get punished, become worse criminals'