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🇺🇦 How Far Can NATO Go?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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We Need a Russia

We saw the nato system as a model for expanding a zone of stability in europe that, in fact, should include russia. And i think there was a sincere desire on the part of the native member states to make that happen. But it takes two to tango. The defence establishment in moscow viewed co operation with nato as a process of strengthening nato, which must be, by definition, too-to Russia's disadvantage. So weare going to have great difficulty in establishing their common language and common thinking. I wouldn't doubt the impact of this state propaganda on people's minds in russia. We will have been through a period of extreme confrontation and the i

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