Is It Possible That Science Should Clarify This Debate?

Some people start with a very, very strong intuition that these things are presented to us in a way that is immediate and transparent. I don't think how could we know any feature of the physical world in that immediate, transparent, revelatory way. So it's, we're out of that realm. And therefore, the debate is s conducted at a a to suggest that science should shed light on this is, for some people, is to sort of, kind of just miss the point of the whole issue.