Debating Civilian Casualties in Conflict

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A contentious debate unfolds over the civilian casualties in the Israel-Palestine conflict, focusing on conflicting figures surrounding the percentage of civilians killed by Hamas and the IDF. Tensions rise as speakers clash over the accuracy of casualty numbers and accusations of misinformation are exchanged. The chapter delves into the targeting of civilians, journalists, and disabled individuals, sparking intense arguments about culpability and historical comparisons.

Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(12:11) – 1948
(1:10:43) – Partition
(2:15:16) – October 7
(3:09:27) – Gaza
(3:36:02) – Peace
(4:40:47) – Hope for the future