Sally Kohn: I've got a question from somebody who sort of read the manuscript earlier here that I think is like you'll probably personally have an interesting answer. From basically your whole 20s, you were in school at Sanford, getting collecting various degrees. And then you went and started a company after that. So I'm just curious how you think about the trade off between focusing really hard on learning, whether that's in academia or not versus when to start applying.

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