To kick the year off, I sit down with Professors Pasi Sahlberg and Glenn Savage on the sidelines of the International Congress for School Effectiveness and Improvement, which was held at the University of Melbourne last week. Our conversation explores some of the big ideas mentioned at the conference. As you’ll hear, much of the conversations challenged the narrow meaning of effectiveness and improvement and pushed against the so-called what works agenda. Pasi Sahlberg and Glenn Savage are professors of education at the University of Melbourne. www.freshedpodcast.com/sahlberg-savage -- Get in touch! Twitter: @FreshEdpodcast Facebook: FreshEd Email: info@freshedpodcast.com