i've had two passions in life, ones to be a film maker. And post production and visual facts are like the intersection of creativity and technology. It's very, very technical. So while i was doing post production, you know, i always dreamed of having a tet company. Always wanted to build softwere but never got good at it. My co founder, i hired red at a college at my post production company to do a job that had nothing to do with engineering. He did have exposure to computer science in school and continued learning a just come on the side. We made a little iphone ap together. I designed it, he built it. That was our first time