I think we're actually literally in an upside down conversation about transformation. And so that's always gotten under my skin because I've been in situations as a caregiver for my wife, just buying necessity with no family to help. So anyway, I guess I'm saying like, yeah, if I'm speaking kind of very bluntly, I'm saying that there's a huge amount of confusion going on in the transformational scene. But you don't actually have to pay a bunch of money to go on retreat to experience, just have to stay where you are in the complex matrix of your life.

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