Examples: Anti-Immigrant Leaders with Immigrant Spouses

This episode explores the paradox of prominent right-wing or ethnonationalist figures who, despite their rhetoric, often marry outside their own ethnic or national groups—especially to non-white or immigrant women. Malcolm and Simone Collins discuss the cultural, political, and genetic factors behind these patterns, using examples from US and international politics. The conversation delves into the complexities of ethnicity, genetic diversity, and the social constructs around race, with a particular focus on the role and perception of white women in these dynamics. The episode also touches on broader issues of marriage trends, fertility rates, and the impact of migration and cultural change, all delivered with a mix of humor, data, and personal anecdotes.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be asking the question, what sort of self-respecting racist would date a white woman? And by this what I mean, or the phenomenon I’m gonna be going over is twofold. One is the phenomenon of people who are sort of race realists, or genetic realists or Okay.

Who are seen as leaders in the right wing movement or anti-immigrant. Okay? Very frequently, almost as frequently. As left-leaning anti-white black politicians being married to white men. They are married to either immigrant wives or non-white wives. And then we’re going to be talking about this in the context of it actually makes a lot of sense if you think about right wing politics.

Oh. By this, what I mean is. Who, like w whether it’s the [00:01:00] prenatals movement or any form of the right wing movement, who is like the core enemy, right? Who is generating the oppression that you are living under and benefiting from the system that that systemically discriminates against you.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Why would you marry into the longhouse?

It’s

Malcolm Collins: white women, right? Yeah. So

Simone Collins: Passport Bros are the political lesbians of.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. For people who dunno, political lesbians, this was something that happened in the past where women who were not seeing sex attracted would get in same sex attracted relationships like female, female relationships just before political reasons because they felt it was politically unpalatable to date men.

And really what it was, was this sort of aggressive lesbians pressuring straight women using politics into sleeping with them. If you, if you actually look at what was happening there, oh dear, it was not a good thing. But that is, that is not what this episode is about. This episode is about this interesting tension between a group that is supposedly [00:02:00] ethnonationalist.

But that is also ESO nationalist towards white people, but that also has a deep disdain for white women specifically.

Simone Collins: Yeah. In a cultural, I mean, yeah, you make a really good point. ‘cause even if you go to the various mgtow channels and look at, you know, the ones who’ve been sort of path dependency, audience funneled into like just the, look at this woman, she’s done a terrible thing.

She’s horrible. It’s majority white women. So you’re

Malcolm Collins: making a good point and. We’re gonna study some trends here because there’s some interesting trends here. Ooh. When white right-leaning women do this, they almost always break up. But when a white, white right-leaning men do this, they almost always stay together.

And keep in mind here the look of, you’re like, why would they go for women of other cultures? Well, because they’re often slightly more conservative in, in their views. And then the final thing we’re gonna go into here is. How ethnicity actually [00:03:00] works because I am so frustrated by this inaccurate view of ethnicity that we have in a society.

And actually I’m just gonna start talking about this a little before we go into all the examples of conservatives who do this. So I sent you on WhatsApp, an actual graph of human evolutionary breakups that will show you sort of how humanity speciated Oh, can you pull this up? Yeah. You recently

Simone Collins: shared with us with a, a friend.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right. And what you will notice here is because, and I’ll, I’ll bring up the context of this with the friend, is they were like, well, you know, I’m an Indian and most of this, this data was trained on Europeans. And therefore it is she’s talking about genetic data for like polygenic screening of embryos.

Therefore, it won’t be accurate on me. You know, it’s not accurate across esit groups. And I was like, sweetie, you are genetically white. Indians are basically white people genetically speaking. And not white people, Europeans, let’s call it that, like [00:04:00] the, the wider sort of European cultural group.

But I’ve often said on this group, if you divided humanity into ethnic groups you know, Northern Europeans, middle Easterners, Indians, Asians, and. Native Americans would be one of those groups.

And to clarify here, this one group would also include most North Africans, and I think that edging the majority, like a bit over 50% of Sub-Saharan Africans, uh, with groups like the Bantu being within this one group.

Malcolm Collins: And then almost all of the rest would be African was maybe one for Australian Aboriginals.

But in this chart you can really see what I mean by this in how far back some of these ethnic groups split off with other branches of humans being well around. When our last shared ancestors are outside of the ones who, who enter bred recently. So what you’re seeing here, Simone, is, is, is you look at the Northern [00:05:00] Carni and then the Southern Co Sun in, in Africa.

Mm-hmm. These two groups alone are. Close to each other, but more distinct than any of the the non-African groups. And then look at how, and, and they split off from the rest of humans. When Neanderthals were in their prime, like 50% through Neanderthals brain di de Noian were in their prime. Homo n might’ve still been around and only about like halfway between now and homo Heidelbergensis.

Right. Homo Homoerectus was still well around when most of these African groups split off. It’s

Simone Collins: crazy

Malcolm Collins: as, as you can see here. Yeah. That, that’s, it’s

Simone Collins: going way back, it’s going way, way back.

If you wanna dive deep on this topic, we have another episode, , titled Something Like Our Humans, all One Species, , where we go really deep into this and we point out some, some pretty shocking facts. Like for example, , you might be surprised that you are more genetically similar if you are [00:06:00] European.

To Neanderthals than you are to some living human groups like the Koan. , That said, , you split from the koan more recently than you split from Neanderthals. Uh, but you are still more genetically similar to Neandertals. We explained how this is the case in, in, in the video you just said go to it. , But lots of spicy stuff there.

This video was filmed before that video, but we’re beginning to get to our backlog because of Simone giving birth to our next kid.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but I mean, this is, did you, were you aware of this by the way? Did you like understand? I had no

Simone Collins: idea. I knew that the genetic variation in Africa was.

Insane. That and that like no one seems to get it, especially ‘cause everyone’s just like black or of African descent, as if that like gloms everyone together. So yeah, I knew that that, but I didn’t realize just how long. The branch or how far back the branch off goes. That is just insane. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So we’ll be talking about a better way to sort of think about ethnic groups, even if you’re talking [00:07:00] about being more closely related.

And basically I, what, what I’ll point out is that functionally Indians middle Easterners and Europeans are one ethnic group. Oceania is one extra group. Asians are one ethnic group. Native Americans are one ethnic group. And then Africa has like five ethnic groups. If you, if you’re actually looking at the genetic distance.

Mm-hmm. And by this what I mean is you will get a genetic ants that is as large as the genetic distance between Europeans and Indians. At least the population of Indians that’s related to Northern Europeans. So here I’m talking about Brahman. ‘cause Brahman are, you might be surprised about this much more closely related to Europeans than other Indian groups.

That is, that is. Significantly closer. Wait, how and

Simone Collins: why

Malcolm Collins: than some European groups and other European groups?

Simone Collins: What, how and why?

Malcolm Collins: They were, they were descended from a conquering population that came from Europe and the steps.

Simone Collins: Okay. Okay. That explains it. Wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So the Indian thing is actually relevant because what you’ll notice is about a lot of these people that they are actually married to Indians.[00:08:00]

Oh, that’s what I’m saying. Like keep it within the, the ethnic group or anything like that. But the point I’m making is they’re not as unique in ethnic group as we make them out to be. Was in modern parlays.

Simone Collins: If they’re Brahman. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, well, even if they’re not Brahman, they’re still about as genetically distant from us as the most distant Europeans are from us.

Speaker 3: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway. First anti-immigrant, right? Famous. Okay. Yeah. Who’s coming? Who’s coming to mind? Donald Trump. Famously right now married to a Slovenian immigrant. And his first wife was a checkout Slovakian immigrant. Next JD Vance. Obviously other other head guy at the party here constantly called for his prenatal stuff because I was talking with a reporter about this and she’s like, what about all this?

I mean like JD Vance is like a leader of the movement and he is got a kid named Vivek who doesn’t look remotely white. Like I don’t understand how you could think. JD Vance has genuine racial animosity. But, okay. Okay. Very, to be fair,

Simone Collins: white nationalists have [00:09:00] criticized him or said like, well, he could never, I would never vote for him for president because he didn’t.

Marry a white woman, but you’re gonna explain why they’re wrong. They didn’t

Malcolm Collins: Trump either. They said that they weren’t gonna vote for Trump in the last cycle. I don’t know anyone who said that. Who, who said that they were voting for Trump in the last cycle.

Simone Collins: That’s fair. That’s fair.

Malcolm Collins: We already know we don’t need those.

So like what’s the point, right? Yeah. Nigel Farage. Did you know he, he’s married to a German immigrant though. Oh. So still, still white, you know? Yeah. But but still, if you’re anti-immigrant and you’re married to a German immigrant, you know, not, not the best look. Exactly. This is Alice Weo, who we’ve talked about before, the German far right.

A FD co-leader which is seen as an anti-immigrant group. She is in a same sex relationship with kids, by the way, with Sri Lankan born immigrant with South Asian heritage. Pierre pve, Canadian conservative leader of the right wing immigration focus married to a Venezuelan immigrant, was Latin heritage.

You, you see, I’m not talking about like low people in the movement. I’m talking like leaders in every single branch of the movement is immigrants. Mm-hmm. Jeremy Hunt British [00:10:00] Conservative Ian. Former Chancellor Chancellor. Married to Lucy Gao, a Chinese immigrant Boris Johnson. Married to a marina Wheeler of half Indian heritage.

We’re getting everyone here. Rupert Murdoch married to Wendy Dang. Chinese immigrant. Current wife is Elena Zuka, Russian immigrant. Claret. Now, now we’re gonna get to well, we’ll get to them later because I put them elsewhere. Derek Chauvin the former police officer convicted of Joy Floyd’s murder.

Right. Everyone said systemically racist, right? Oh,

Simone Collins: yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Married to Kelly Chauvin, a Hung Laton refugee immigrant from Asian Asia. Ian. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Laia ho Ian, refugee immigrant.

Simone Collins: God

Malcolm Collins: bless you. Thank you so much. No, but, but I’m point keep it. Richard Spencer, right. Married to a Russian immigrant, Edward Brook.

Okay. The US Senator has had two interracial marriages. A fun one here. A Joy Desher, the conservative writer and HBD advocate, race realist fired from the [00:11:00] National Review for eight racist columns. A fired from a conservative publication for being too racist. Married to Rosie Chinese immigrant

regime. Kahn been on the show before. Other direction here. This sort of race realist guy married to a white woman despite being Indian. Well,

Simone Collins: ex, ex-wife now, but yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I mean, I’m pretty sure his ex-wife is gonna be white too. At least from who he’s dating these days. Jonathan Anomaly he.

Latin American wife, and he’s, he’s always the one who’s always called out with us. They’re like, oh, he’s a white supremacist, whatever. And it’s like, well, clearly not. He’s clearly not like anti-immigrant, like, you know, clearly not. He’s, his, his wife is, is Latin American. Hold on, Simone, we’re not to hear again.

You guys, you think I’m talking about like fringe figures here? Michelle McConnell this is sorry, Mitch McConnell. This is, this is the Senate minority leader, conservative republican, married to El Cho, Taiwanese immigrant. I didn’t know. Oh, wow. [00:12:00] That’s crazy. The, the, the, the minority leader when they were in charge, the president, the vice president, all the famous race, the quote unquote racist you know, just, just across the board here.

What, what’s funny is, is who, what, what, what conservatives actually marry white women.

Simone Collins: Yeah. What conservative? Oh,

Malcolm Collins: Clarence Thomas married a, a white woman and Thomas sells married to a white woman. Oh, there you go. What’s, what’s interesting is you actually often see this among because I, I, I noted that you actually see this among conservative women, but the relationships never last long.

You have Purley Davis who, well, she never married.

Simone Collins: She dated. No, she, I

Malcolm Collins: said the relationships don’t last long. Right. Like she broke it off. Mm-hmm. And a culture. Also Coulter famous for she’s been engaged to a black guy and I think she’s been engaged to an Indian guy as well. Hmm.

But I know she had a serious relationship for an Indian guy, at least.

Simone Collins: Is she the one who’s just had a billion engagements and just can’t nail it down?

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So I don’t know if that counts as much, but

Simone Collins: [00:13:00] that, that’s more than I thought.

Malcolm Collins: But,

Simone Collins: and it’s, it’s,

Malcolm Collins: it’s sort of like a lot of the heavy hitters as well, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, I thought your argument at the beginning was gonna be like, are you guys are crazy? Why would you marry into the longhouse white women are the problem. But what you’re saying here is like, oh, this is actually. Tacitly recognized, and people aren’t, they’re not marrying into the longhouse, they’re not marrying white women.

They’re marrying

Malcolm Collins: well. You see this in other countries, so in Korea where women are even crazier than they are in the United States. You know, you see all this, this crazy stuff in Korea, right? Like four Bs and everything like that. If you look at rural Korean men, one in four of them is married to a non-Korean.

Simone Collins: Oh, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: We have a, we have another episode. Where we look at the rates of immigration into Northern Europe, so we’re talking about like Sweden, Norway. If we, I think we look at some other European countries in the episode it’s like the incel won’t replace you or something is what we call it.

But if you look at the general immigrants who you’re seeing come in into these countries you know, from like the Middle East and stuff like that, and everyone’s like, oh my God, they’re [00:14:00] replacing us. The waves are so big. These are overwhelmingly male immigrant groups. Okay. These groups are completely canceled out in terms of statistics to the point where you get gender equal immigration statistics by passport wise being flown in

Simone Collins: pretty crazy.

Malcolm Collins: And there the passport wives are disproportionately drawn from, from some countries. The men are disproportionately drawn from other countries, but it also means that these men will be watered out. Because if they can’t find wives, which is often hard for them especially within their cultural system they, they’re, they’re going to have a harder time actually becoming a big chunk of that population.

Yeah. I mean, passport growing.

Simone Collins: Passport growing is like the IVF of marriage. Like, it, it takes a lot more effort and just not everyone’s up to the challenge. Or willing to bear the expense or capable of it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think it, it provides, you know, the [00:15:00] other thing I was mentioning to this political reporter, she goes, well, why haven’t the republican administration done more about fertility collapse?

And I was like, but what’s their motivation? Like if things keep going in this direction we win, we, we, whether we as Republicans or Americans, right? Like the countries with decent fertility rates that are still technologically and economically productive, which are the only ones relevant in terms of geopolitical power, are America, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel, all of which we’re pretty tight with.

Yeah. The ones that are the, you know, the bad ones are the ones that we have more conflict with. Like who are major geopolitical enemies. China and Russia, like they’re, they are not relevant. In a couple generations we just need to sit them out, right? And then even within our country, I’m like, look at the differential fertility rate between Trump voters and non-Trump voters.

There was a one study that was done by our, one of our fans, and, oh, Merman fertility rate is falling. It’s still higher than normal. And he pointed out that in Utah, if you separate people into population clusters, you know, [00:16:00] Trump voters who voted Mormon, Trump voters who didn’t vote sorry who are.

Trump voters who are Mormon people who didn’t vote Trump and are Mormon, and people who are not Mormon and voted for Trump and people who are neither, both not Mormon and didn’t vote for Trump. Obviously that group’s the lowest, but what surprised him was that the did not vote for Trump and Mormon group had an equal fertility to the did vote for Trump and isn’t Mormon group.

So voting for Trump is, is as good as being Mormon. In terms of fertility based. But it matters. We, we will replace them. You know, that’s the, well,

Simone Collins: I mean also I think it speaks to the extent to which the LDS church has seen a, a bottoming out of its fertility, which is now pretty much the same as American fertility, and that is dire.

Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Simone Collins: But yeah, I mean, still point taken.

Malcolm Collins: I know, I mean, so what, what were some of the other ones here? Do you wanna go into how different are the actual ethnic groups? Because I, I think that’s a interesting topic.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or like, yeah. Is there a [00:17:00] selection bias? Like, is, are there i non-white woman markets that are super popular versus areas from which people do just not pull?

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, the point I’m making is that we have developed. A racial worldview where the world is made up of white people and Asians and Native Americans and Indians and some wide smattering around Oceania that we pretend as like. 30 different ethnic groups and then black people. And that’s who makes up the world.

And the point that I would make to people is a huge chunk of those groups are better thought of as single groups. While some of the groups, excuse me, of as single groups are better thought of as multiple groups. And when you understand this and you understand just how recent some of the splits have been between some of these groups and how much genetic sharing there was historically speaking, you realize that some of the groups that you may have thought were not.[00:18:00]

In your category are actually in your category?

Speaker 3: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: No. No. Not I, I’m not saying that you should have animosity to groups outside of your category. It’s just very odd to me that even people who claim to be like race realist type people don’t seem to be aware of this. And they think that they are in some competition with people who are basically their brothers.

Mm-hmm. Which you can often see just from like facial characteristics, how similar groups are, or, or, or morphology, how similar groups are. But anyway, to continue here Europeans and Indians, ‘cause that was what started this was forming here, fall into the same western Eurasian cluster because of genetic similarities from ancient step and farmer migrations was FTS distance between as low as 0.03 to 0.05.

Mm-hmm. Much lower than between Europe and East Asians Approximately. 0.11. So keep in mind, 0.03 to 0.11. So, so, so dramatically [00:19:00] more distant from each other. African populations exhibit the highest genetic diversity equivalent to, or greater than the rest of humanity combined due to deeper evolutionary roots and less bottleneck effect from migrants.

Studies show high clustering where we were looking at levels like 0.03 of Africa. Yeah, it’s seven or 14. Oh. Africans split into three to five groups such as the Cosine Southern Africa, Pygmies, central Africa, Western African, Eastern Africans, and Bantu. Speaking peoples. You know, I prepped an episode on the greatest genocide in human history about how the Bantu is basically killed off most of humanity’s genetic diversity fairly recently too, and nobody ever talks about it.

Which gets even more like complicated and elevated, within current politics. When you consider that the Bantu are much more closely related to Europeans than the population groups, they were extinguishing. I.

One of my favorite things about it as well is it’s called the Bantu migration. I just love it. Of like, we called other genocides that, like [00:20:00] the Nazi migration, , it’s like , the, these giant regions they were migrating into. , Were they populated before this? Oh, they were o okay. , So what happened to those people?

Oh, they just forgot to have, they just stopped having kids. Of course. That’s the explanation.

And by the way, you, the listeners may not realize this, but there is perhaps nothing that I would say in an episode like this, like you might be, this episode covered some really controversial points then pointing out that. If it had been Europeans doing it, we would’ve called the ban to expansion, a mass genocide.

, But because it was Africans doing it, it’s complicated. And a mass migration event, I mean, you can just look at a map. You can see there were lots and lots of diverse groups around where this expansion happened. And then you just have this big expansion, like these people went somewhere. Right. You don’t have giant diverse populations covering a huge portion of the [00:21:00] African continent, just all disappear at the same time.

It’s, it’s one of these things that like, oh, you have mainstream historians who are like, oh, we can’t call it that. Oh, we can’t call it that. But if you just use your common sense,

and it’s also, by the way, really effed up in trivializing to the groups that were erased from human history because of this.

Sorry, I should clarify what makes it so obvious, because it might not be obvious to like your average person looking at this map. If you look at all the regions around where this expansion happened, you have a huge amount of linguistic and ethnic diversity. If you look at all the regions where this expansion happened, you have much less of it.

. Like, like dramatically, dramatically, much less of it. And you would expect in a region like Africa, I mean this is one of the reasons you have such genetic diversity within Africa is groups to be very, very distinct from each other in the same way. If you look at like a population that’s been settled for a long time, like England, you see very distinct accents from each other versus United States.

If you went to a region within England and there was like a [00:22:00] huge swath where everyone had almost exactly the same accent. Supposition would be that there used to be people of different accents living within this region. , And then something happened to homogenize all of their accents. Either a mass media campaign or a migration, whatever it is, is what you would call a form of cultural genocide because it erased the previously existing cultural diversity in that region.

Malcolm Collins: Fun thing to go into sometime if you guys are unaware of it or if you want me to go into it because, we don’t have a lot of written evidence of it because they didn’t really write and we don’t have a lot of memory evidence of it. We just have this like big scar through the center of Africa where it’s just one population and all the other people are like exterminated.

And you could tell very much when they moved, started moving, when they, when, where they settled, what happened to the people who used to be in these regions and how they migrated out or were exterminated. And it’s, it’s, it’s huge and chilling. If you look at a map of Africa, sort of genetic [00:23:00] clusters how many, how many groups might have been exterminated during this?

Okay. And it’s also very interesting how genetically distinct some groups are. I mean, so the, when people hear like Africans are really genetically distinct, they think American Africans and American Africans are not, I mean, I don’t wanna say that they’re. Often heavily mixed with white populations.

There’s often a lot of, of, of gene sharing with European populations. Well,

Simone Collins: they are, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: They’re, they’re often heavily mixed with each other, so they’re not particularly distinct looking. But if you look at like, like a full-blooded, like Pygmy for example they look quite distinct. Yeah. Or that

Simone Collins: one tribal group that always ends up on runways.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, yes. There’s a, a group in Africa, like always up on runways. Yeah,

Simone Collins: yeah. Like, you know, you know exactly what I’m talking about. Beautiful statuesque. Think there are, they also produce like most of the Olympian runners. But yeah, no, yeah, there, I also imagine that I, I don’t know how, I haven’t looked at this, but with the slave trades, there were specific regions that were big [00:24:00] producers in human capital in the slave trade.

Meaning that, you know, there might’ve been specific genetic clusters from Africa that were disproportionately represented among. Mm-hmm. People of African descent now in the United States, so there might not be. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, this is also very interesting and we, I was thinking about doing an episode called like the Why Black Americans are so effed which is also in part how much of a when you look at this genetic diversity was in Africa and how long ago these groups diverged from each other to pretend that there is a shared African.

Cultural or genetic or linguistic experience is a fabrication designed to control people. Well, I think it’s just as

Simone Collins: also like insulting and inaccurate as this concept of Latino or Latina or Latinx. Like just this like, oh, well they’re all the same. No, no, they’re really, really super [00:25:00] not, these are very distinct cultures with very distinct histories.

Malcolm Collins: And

Simone Collins: Jim,

Malcolm Collins: you’re generally we’re out to kill each other. But, but not just distinct histories. I mean, we’re talking about groups here that are more culturally and genetically distinct than your average British person is from your average Native American or Japanese person is, you know, a thousand years ago or something.

Dramatically more culturally and genetically distinct, and yet we pretend that they have a shared history, which I think is you know, one of those things that makes people look as uneducated, it’s when they mistake Africa for a country. You know, like the, the country of Africa, the, the shared history of black people.

And it’s like, yeah. But to, to go over which these groups would be here. If we’re gonna divide people up, let’s say we, we need to divide people up into ethnic groups, okay? Okay. You got the cosign, you got the pygmies, you got the West African, you got the East African, you’ve got the central African bag two, you’ve got the non-African cluster here to now.

So note here if we’re dividing them, we’ve already got one, two, and this, this is not even BioGene genetic so far. This should all be [00:26:00] one cluster and everyone else should be one other cluster. But if you’re gonna divide the other cluster, as I said west Eurasian, so Europeans, Indians south Asians, middle Easterners, north Africans.

Mm-hmm. And this includes North Africans by the way. And then you’ve got East Asians. ‘cause we’re talking Northern Sahara here. Right. Then you got East Asians, which is another cluster, and then you’ve got Oceanian and then Native Americans being the final cluster here.

So, thoughts, Simone?

Thoughts on the ethnic grouping and stuff?

Simone Collins: I mean, yeah, there’s, it’s all very interesting. I. I also imagine that white women don’t really mind not being married. Like a lot of them don’t wanna be married. Just to your point about like, you know, yeah. People in South Korea, men in rural South Korea marrying primarily immigrants.

Perhaps that’s, you know, everyone wins because [00:27:00] the, the women don’t wanna marry South Korean men in, in South Korea to a great extent and a lot of. Urban monoculture, white women in the United States don’t wanna get married at all either. So this is, this is a victimless crime. I just, I had no idea how pervasive it was already.

And I think that’s really funny and just, I don’t know. This also just goes to show, and I love it, that you found a new angle to. Explain why racism is just kind of pointless and lame.

Malcolm Collins: It’s a pointless and lame concept because like people lean into it and then they meet white women and they’re like, oh man, like even like your biggest racist is like I, I mean I’ve like, I know I talked a lot about racial purity, but I am not marrying a white chick.

Like they, they do not understand a woman’s role in the household. So,

Simone Collins: you know,

Malcolm Collins: no. Well, I think the truth is, is that people aren’t actually racist in the way that they’re being painted as racist is the, [00:28:00] is the reality of the situation.

Simone Collins: I suppose, I think that there are some groups like. What are they called?

Return to land because I, I fell down a YouTube hole of like their stuff. Oh yeah. The ones for a couple days who like

Malcolm Collins: live on chicken farms. Yeah. And, and

Simone Collins: only want like people of very specific types of European descent to live on their

Malcolm Collins: chicken farm

Simone Collins: in their, that’s not a chicken. They’re like homestead land in the Ozarks.

They, they do care and they do only want white women of a very specific type. But these are also, I guess fairly difficult to find in many cases white women who in some cases are fairly unconventional. Like one of the co-founders, ex-wives who now lives on, on this property with a new husband, but the co-founder and she have four kids.

They used to post I think, OnlyFans videos of them. Yeah, [00:29:00] going at it. So you can’t necessarily describe her as being like mm-hmm. Tra trad woman. Exactly. I mean now she is, but she wasn’t before. And I think that does illustrate how like, people who really want this, this image of this demure.

Housewife are gonna really struggle to find that. And that even when you go to these extreme communities that will like actually check for your European parentage and only except super officially white people will nevertheless end up with people who don’t exactly fit. At least for the entire, we don’t

Malcolm Collins: even come close to fitting.

Come on. I, I think the whole thing is because it’s a lrp, like the left will call JD Vance racist when he’s very clearly not racist and they’ll call, you know, Gavin Newsom like a, a paragon of inter multiculturalism when he looks like a racist. If you look at his, like old pictures and stuff. I’m, I’m quite serious.

Well, so you, I

Simone Collins: [00:30:00] mean, I, I believe his wife is quite waspy looking. Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It’s a very, yeah. His own family looks like a racist guy. Very Arian.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and, and I think the you know, we’ve, we’ve, the, the, there’s people on the left who just like accept this and in spite of all the evidence that it’s wrong, which allows them to act and engage in racist activity without the internalization of how racist the activity is.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, you, if you wanna do some numbers here remember I said Europeans to Indians is, is 0.02 to 0.05. Okay. And this is, this is lower in what exactly? Higher pass This is Indians in genetic, yeah, in distance. What are, what are

Simone Collins: the numbers you’re giving? Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: I, I don’t, I dunno, exactly.

The, the distance between the genetic

Simone Collins: similarity, for example.

Malcolm Collins: I’m talking about the distance. It doesn’t, it doesn’t matter. Simone, you wouldn’t understand even if I explained it, so I don’t know why you’re [00:31:00] asking.

Simone Collins: Well, okay. Give me relative numbers then.

Malcolm Collins: That’s why I’m giving you relative numbers.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So remember I said that they are 0.02 to 0.05.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: If you’re looking interculturally within Europe, so take the lapse or the Sammy from the Sardinia. They are distant from other Europeans at 0.67, so they are more distant than some of the more or most distant Indians from Europeans.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Where do you contrast this with Europeans to Papa Owens from like Papua New Guinea.

You’re looking at 0.1 to 0.2 which is I think really interesting.

Simone Collins: That is interesting. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So here we go. We dove into the topic of why nobody wants white women. White women are the worst. I saw a video of a bunch of white women and they were complaining about how they needed to find liberal men to date them.

I’m like, what? What sort of self-respecting, like, I just want a hot, rich, liberal man with a nice mustache. And that’s what I was like, that’s a [00:32:00] pretty specific thing that you’re looking for. But many others were like, I just wanna a liberal man who’s not unattractive. And I was like, well, I mean, first, I don’t know if you knew this, but actually being liberal as a man is, is correlated with Unat attractiveness.

But,

Speaker 4: Let’s watch another one. This one got, let’s see, 40,000 likes on it. I don’t think there’s anything harder than finding a liberal boyfriend.

Speaker 5: Where is he? Where is he? Who? Who? My, my people. Are you guys helping your boyfriends? Who is love? Raise your, where’d you find. It is such a problem for me. It really is. It really is a problem and if you don’t understand why it’s incumbent, you don’t get it. Not even a liberal, like maybe like a Democrat, like a registered Democrat, but I just wanna find a dude that voted for Cowboy Harris.

I’m really struggling. I know 70 many million people voted for her, so [00:33:00] there’s gotta be one that is attractive and my type. In the general vicinity is a little bit more ridiculous than the others. Says, I’ve never seen a hot rich six two straight liberal man who lives in New York before. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Speaker 4: So Alicia is funny, okay? But they’re out there looking for you. You liberal leftist men,

Malcolm Collins: but second you’re gonna be hard to find a self-respecting guy who’s okay with, you know, being. You supporting somebody in a system’s basically like antagonistic to him?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, and they, they don’t, they’re not responding necessarily to reason. I mean I think the bigger thing is that they’re badness essentially their default without marrying is just so high that they are willing to have high standards ‘cause they don’t actually care that much about getting married.

Yeah. Keeper AI created a tool that allows you to put in your criteria for a partner. And then see what percentage of the US [00:34:00] population fits your criteria in terms of income. And I think maybe you can select race, you can select height gender of course. And they, they start with that like, you know, man in finance, six foot something.

And yeah, you can see just how unreasonable these sort of standardized expectations are. Yeah. Which I think just also goes to show that they’re not interested in it. So go ahead. And this is a victimless crime and I, I think it’s great that it’s taking place. Thanks for highlighting this for me.

Malcolm Collins: The, the import we’re replacing white women.

Yeah. Anyway, gene don’t really matter. Once we have germline gene editing, by the way, for people who are all like worried about just engineer

Simone Collins: the person you want. Yeah, don’t worry about it guys.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, this will be talking about like in the age of our grandchildren, right? It’s not that important.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway. I love you to Dec Simone.

Simone Collins: I love you too. Oh reminder though, to people who are watching we actually have a [00:35:00] Patreon that posts two bonus episodes every weekend. I learned from comments of, of recent video we posted that people don’t realize that, and they were like, man, if you had Payed content, I’d pay for it.

And I’m like, dude, we, we do, we now post an episode on Saturday and an episode on Sunday, and it’s only for our VIPs and we have hangouts and we. Get episode suggestions from them, and it’s, it’s great. So anyway, if you wanna join more elite, micro community, you’re welcome to do so. Just check us out on Patreon.

Malcolm Collins: Love you Toon. I

Simone Collins: love you too, gorgeous. All I’m hitting end. I’m gonna send you a. Did you know that every single introduction to the Mr. Rogers TV show was unique, had unique music? Because I did not know that this like world famous jazz piano who is semi-retired to do the music for the show. So he is like, go ahead. Just like.

Malcolm Collins: That sounds like PBS just burning money.

Simone Collins: Have [00:36:00] fun with the, I mean, yeah, they must have.

Malcolm Collins: Being like, oh, well we’ve gotta hire a classical musician so the children understand what fancy music is like.

Simone Collins: I mean, I think that was just Mr. Rogers making the selection. I don’t know. You know, he probably got a general budget and chose to spend it on this, but yeah, they’re all unique, which is wild.

Speaker 3: All right.

Speaker: Okay. Do you, what do you wanna say to Andy? Hi. Andy did throw up Andy. Andy did not. It was only toasty. Toasty. Yeah. But Andy got scared. I did

a little bit. He, he standing do it in grab stick. He’s saying. He’s saying, why are you doing a video recording? Because I think you guys will like this one day. [00:37:00] Hey, and it is for YouTube Octavian. Yeah. I’m making my, do you want videos of you on YouTube?

Speaker 2: Video? How the cruise ship. Explain to me your cruise ship. Um, so like, um, did you know that the can hold about 40 Milli can hold, about 100, can hold about 100 kids because there’s 100 feet tall and one

Speaker: that’s good. Good. Very good. Very good. Good. We can be happy sleep with you. I [00:38:00] think so.

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